Tue, 29 September 2009 Yo check this! Stephen and Gary get way, way out of their comfort zone - after dark in South Central LA to be exact, hangin' with the home boys and trialing some dodgy automated rap software into the bargain. So will they think the hippety-hop gentlemen are wack (does this mean bad?) or fly (good??). Download, plump your cushions, brew a herbal tea and find out. It go a little somethin' like this... Comments[16] |
Flava Flav is music's greatest jester.
The reasons I love Straight Outta Compton are
a) It's stupendously hilarious
b) The samples
c) Express Yourself
and d) Ice Cube
I do hate how it destroyed rap with people taking it as a call to arms rather than a money making album, ruining many people's opinion of hip-hop and I don't like Eazy-E's section on *ahem* The Police, what would be a brilliant song about corrupt police is completely contradicted when he pops up and basically goes "why do you think we're all gansters, now I'm going to shoot you". Hmmm.
Nation Of Millions is better in my opinion, it might be flawed with Chuck D and Flava Flav talking quite a lot of nonsense and the DJing songs being very skippable, but from the opening sirens on Countdown To Armageddon to Chuck D and Flava Flav rapping together on Party For Your Right To Fight there aren't many acts that can get close to its brilliance.
Seen And Not Seen by Talking Heads is a great spoken word song, it's complete nonsense and mystifying at the same time and I think Fleetwood Mac only kept Mick Fleetwood through their umpteen line-up changes, similarly Queens Of The Stone Age's only constant member is Josh Homme.
Sorry for rambling on about rap, Different Class is one of my favourite albums, it's nice to return to someone like Pulp after a band like N.W.A.
The reasons I love Straight Outta Compton are
a) It's stupendously hilarious
b) The samples
c) Express Yourself
and d) Ice Cube
I do hate how it destroyed rap with people taking it as a call to arms rather than a money making album, ruining many people's opinion of hip-hop and I don't like Eazy-E's section on *ahem* The Police, what would be a brilliant song about corrupt police is completely contradicted when he pops up and basically goes "why do you think we're all gansters, now I'm going to shoot you". Hmmm.
Nation Of Millions is better in my opinion, it might be flawed with Chuck D and Flava Flav talking quite a lot of nonsense and the DJing songs being very skippable, but from the opening sirens on Countdown To Armageddon to Chuck D and Flava Flav rapping together on Party For Your Right To Fight there aren't many acts that can get close to its brilliance.
Seen And Not Seen by Talking Heads is a great spoken word song, it's complete nonsense and mystifying at the same time and I think Fleetwood Mac only kept Mick Fleetwood through their umpteen line-up changes, similarly Queens Of The Stone Age's only constant member is Josh Homme.
Sorry for rambling on about rap, Different Class is one of my favourite albums, it's nice to return to someone like Pulp after a band like N.W.A.
Agreed young un. NWA seem so annoyed that the police object to them "smoking" people's "asses". How inconvenient. It Takes is a warmer album and more loveble. Compton is cold but addictive and dangerous. A faultless blend of the two? Has it wever been done? Discuss.
Anyway, back to indie. Raised on a diet of broken biscuits?
By the way, my security words are "Steve Kant". ahem.
Anyway, back to indie. Raised on a diet of broken biscuits?
By the way, my security words are "Steve Kant". ahem.
well well well, i nearly fainted when you announced pulp (whom i adore)'different class' is a stirring album and stands as a landmark along with 'we love life' and 'it'(which is sublime)
What a podcast! one of your very best, should definitely be included in your greatest hits.
however i have a few grumbles, when you were referencing the fall albums i posted, you may have gotten the chronological order wrong 'Dragnet' is their second album and 'hex enduction hour' is fifth.
i mention this for fear of reprisals from his royal highness Mr Denning...
Also somewhere along the line you confused posts by myself and young james , he was discussing gansta rap and i was talking about belle and sebastian and the cities playlist.
I bring this up becasuse when you said it was a fantastic playlist and thought it belonged to someone else, frankly i died a little inside...
those aside i'm glad gary agrees with me about your imminent 'fallducation' (i knew he would)
under your guidance i will avoid davis' 'tutu'
i not sure i want an electronic davis album.
Spoken word tracks here goes:
'Frank's Wild Years' by tom waits
'F.e.e.l.i.n.g c.a.l.l.e.d l.o.v.e' by pulp (snuck that one in since different class is next)
next are my favourites from king missile whose catalogue is about 80% spoken word
'detachable penis'
'I'm sorry'
'take stuff from work'
'the evil children'
finally is 'Don Aman' by slint
bands that have had severe line-up can still be credible (sugababes never) the ones that spring to mind are yes who are currently touring with three founding memebers and are kind of dead in the water.
fairport convention are all over the place but their recent stuff is good-ish.
i recently downloaded 'things we lost in the fire' and i know 'different class' back to front so i intend to be clued up come next podcast.
p.s. sorry for such long posts
What a podcast! one of your very best, should definitely be included in your greatest hits.
however i have a few grumbles, when you were referencing the fall albums i posted, you may have gotten the chronological order wrong 'Dragnet' is their second album and 'hex enduction hour' is fifth.
i mention this for fear of reprisals from his royal highness Mr Denning...
Also somewhere along the line you confused posts by myself and young james , he was discussing gansta rap and i was talking about belle and sebastian and the cities playlist.
I bring this up becasuse when you said it was a fantastic playlist and thought it belonged to someone else, frankly i died a little inside...
those aside i'm glad gary agrees with me about your imminent 'fallducation' (i knew he would)
under your guidance i will avoid davis' 'tutu'
i not sure i want an electronic davis album.
Spoken word tracks here goes:
'Frank's Wild Years' by tom waits
'F.e.e.l.i.n.g c.a.l.l.e.d l.o.v.e' by pulp (snuck that one in since different class is next)
next are my favourites from king missile whose catalogue is about 80% spoken word
'detachable penis'
'I'm sorry'
'take stuff from work'
'the evil children'
finally is 'Don Aman' by slint
bands that have had severe line-up can still be credible (sugababes never) the ones that spring to mind are yes who are currently touring with three founding memebers and are kind of dead in the water.
fairport convention are all over the place but their recent stuff is good-ish.
i recently downloaded 'things we lost in the fire' and i know 'different class' back to front so i intend to be clued up come next podcast.
p.s. sorry for such long posts
Long posts always welcome oh Inky one. Do steer clear of late miles. I part company with him after the 2nd quartet with tony williams, Ron carter et al. The fusion stuff does not do it for me and as for the poor man's hip hop "doo wop" and the terrible crap like LIVE EVIL - the least said soonest mended. best Miles? Kind of blue certainly but there is a place in my heart for Milestones, Cookin' and Workin. ESP is good too, if a little cold. Try Monk, if you haven't already.
Check our Brilliant Corners show and try a little Thelonious MOnk.
Schitt. Mixed up Hex with Witch trials didn't I. You can see why. Hex? Witch. Come on. Makes sense.
Love Live at the witch trials!
Check our Brilliant Corners show and try a little Thelonious MOnk.
Schitt. Mixed up Hex with Witch trials didn't I. You can see why. Hex? Witch. Come on. Makes sense.
Love Live at the witch trials!
posted by: classicalbums on Wed, 9/30 12:06 PM EDT
Indeed i have checked out brilliant corners, i actually have a monk 10 disk discography, enjoy tracks like mysterio and the like.
live at the witch trials, great album! it's really their only out and out punk album favourite tracks of mine 'rebellious jukebox' crap rap' 'futures and pasts' 'frightened' and 'music scene', since then they took off to planet smith and never looked back i mean to go from that to 'dragnet' in the same year!
Also thought i should post my thoughts on the tindersticks debut since i've had something of a renaissance with it and since you love them so much, as do i.
i was constantly listening up to 'raindrops' and i grew to love that whole segment and then i decided to fight through the length and listened to track 16 onwards.
That section is more immediate with 'her' and 'drunk tank' and having listened to the whole album i am now having a long and passionate love affair with it, i mean what a beautiful and considered piece of work, length doesn't even bother me anymore.
If anything it's not long enough and the songs finish all too quickly. I am so in love with this album i might ask it to marry me.
I will be moving on to '2nd' soon and 'curtains' will surely follow right through their soul period up to 'hungry saw' hopefully a new album soon, they really work as a trio.
Of course when you intend to listen to a band's discography it must be in chronological order, which is a point is it just me that does it that, or does everybody else just mix cherry piick certain albums.
My whole philosophy with music is you need to hear as much of it as possible, because an album or song or band that you could grow to love and care for could be right around the corner and you might never get the chance to hear them, which would be a waste.
live at the witch trials, great album! it's really their only out and out punk album favourite tracks of mine 'rebellious jukebox' crap rap' 'futures and pasts' 'frightened' and 'music scene', since then they took off to planet smith and never looked back i mean to go from that to 'dragnet' in the same year!
Also thought i should post my thoughts on the tindersticks debut since i've had something of a renaissance with it and since you love them so much, as do i.
i was constantly listening up to 'raindrops' and i grew to love that whole segment and then i decided to fight through the length and listened to track 16 onwards.
That section is more immediate with 'her' and 'drunk tank' and having listened to the whole album i am now having a long and passionate love affair with it, i mean what a beautiful and considered piece of work, length doesn't even bother me anymore.
If anything it's not long enough and the songs finish all too quickly. I am so in love with this album i might ask it to marry me.
I will be moving on to '2nd' soon and 'curtains' will surely follow right through their soul period up to 'hungry saw' hopefully a new album soon, they really work as a trio.
Of course when you intend to listen to a band's discography it must be in chronological order, which is a point is it just me that does it that, or does everybody else just mix cherry piick certain albums.
My whole philosophy with music is you need to hear as much of it as possible, because an album or song or band that you could grow to love and care for could be right around the corner and you might never get the chance to hear them, which would be a waste.
Aren't they wonderful. I agree about "Tindersticks". It doesn't seem to hang together but then just coalesces into a lovely, long experience. My faves are Raindrops, Her, Drunk Tank, City Sickness and Blood.
"2" Is exquisite (Tiny Tears, Travelling Light et al...) but I think some of my favourite songs are on Curtains.
"2" Is exquisite (Tiny Tears, Travelling Light et al...) but I think some of my favourite songs are on Curtains.
Great podcast. Fear of a Black Planet was always the better PE album in my opinion. For spoken word tracks, how about The Gift from White Light White Heat by the Velvet Underground. Thanks for considering Half Man Half Biscuit for a future podcast, but may I suggest This Leaden Pall instead of Back in the DHSS, it's a peach!
Thanks!
Thanks!
posted by: Mark Thomas on Fri, 10/2 03:39 PM EDT
In A SIlent Way is probably my fave Miles album and a nice way to try the 'fusion stuff' as it's just 2 gentle but propulsive fusion tracks broken by the sublime, drawn out guitar of the title track. So it's not some massive, imposing behemoth like Bitches Brew (which I do still enjoy, once a decade or so)
I'm also recently enjoying a great Sun Ra album called Super-Sonic Jazz which is a lovely mixture of the modern and the traditional..
and yes, i'm also loving Brilliant Corners thanks to the podcast.
hmm, it seems i am the only one on here still resisting the call of stuart staples' lowly baritone. Even though i thought i was going to fall in love with the 'sticks 10 years ago when i saw them wander on stage at the end of an outdoor college ball which finishes at 6am, the people that were left were on a gentle woozy comedown after the madness, it was the perfect way to see them as i dreamily swayed in my tux clutching a plastic pint of warm beer. I immediately went and bought Curtains as the brilliant singles were the only songs i knew of, but the lack of flow of the album didnt catch the atmosphere of the gig, so i just stuck to the highlights of that album and no more. I obviously need to start from scratch and order the 1st album. or maybe try drinking for 10 hours beforehand.
spoken word tracks:
walk away renee- billy bragg
razzle in my pocket- ian dury+blockheads
cargo culte- serge gainsbourg: this is in french which i dont understand but he's obviously spewing filth over a beautiful backing track.
insanely jealous- the soft boys
the other window- wire
but Religion 1 by P.I.L. is just a cringe-inducing rant.
I must also try to finally get into different class after the podcast. their older song Death Goes to the Disco is one my absolute faves but jarvis sounds like a tightly wound sexual monster on it!
and here, how comes nobody is mentioning Grotesque for a Fall album? it's the best IMHO
I'm also recently enjoying a great Sun Ra album called Super-Sonic Jazz which is a lovely mixture of the modern and the traditional..
and yes, i'm also loving Brilliant Corners thanks to the podcast.
hmm, it seems i am the only one on here still resisting the call of stuart staples' lowly baritone. Even though i thought i was going to fall in love with the 'sticks 10 years ago when i saw them wander on stage at the end of an outdoor college ball which finishes at 6am, the people that were left were on a gentle woozy comedown after the madness, it was the perfect way to see them as i dreamily swayed in my tux clutching a plastic pint of warm beer. I immediately went and bought Curtains as the brilliant singles were the only songs i knew of, but the lack of flow of the album didnt catch the atmosphere of the gig, so i just stuck to the highlights of that album and no more. I obviously need to start from scratch and order the 1st album. or maybe try drinking for 10 hours beforehand.
spoken word tracks:
walk away renee- billy bragg
razzle in my pocket- ian dury+blockheads
cargo culte- serge gainsbourg: this is in french which i dont understand but he's obviously spewing filth over a beautiful backing track.
insanely jealous- the soft boys
the other window- wire
but Religion 1 by P.I.L. is just a cringe-inducing rant.
I must also try to finally get into different class after the podcast. their older song Death Goes to the Disco is one my absolute faves but jarvis sounds like a tightly wound sexual monster on it!
and here, how comes nobody is mentioning Grotesque for a Fall album? it's the best IMHO
A bit upset you've gone for rap so obvious and not the king(s) eric b and rakim. rakin was the john lennon of rap!
i'd love to appear on a future podcast, stephen, send me the details where you are!
i'd love to appear on a future podcast, stephen, send me the details where you are!
posted by: Adrian Denning on Tue, 10/6 03:43 PM EDT
great podcast guys, looks like no one can accuse you of just being 'indie boys' anymore ay.
My Sister is such a beautiful song, one to really send a tingle through you, it's also a song that has a tendency to be on when my housemates come into my room and garners many confused looks.
got a little list of great songs with spoken word bits and full on spoken songs.
'Little Acorns' on White Stripes' Elephant album has a spoken word intro that my mum found very uplifting when I usd to play it in the car on the way to school.
'What's He Building In There?' by Tom Waits off Mule Variations is a really atmospheric and creepy song. I think you're being a little harsh Stephen in disregarding Mr Waits spoken stuff.
'Future Legend' sets the scene at the start of Bowie's Diamond Dogs, one of my favourite of his albums.
'Susan's House' off Beautiful Freak by the Eels has great spoken word passages that always evoke some emotion.
and 'Once in a Lifetime' off the Talking Heads' Remain In Light has some classic spoken bits.
oh and actually come to think of it 'I Spy' off of Different Class has some rather seedy spoken bits in it doesn't it? great song that one.
My Sister is such a beautiful song, one to really send a tingle through you, it's also a song that has a tendency to be on when my housemates come into my room and garners many confused looks.
got a little list of great songs with spoken word bits and full on spoken songs.
'Little Acorns' on White Stripes' Elephant album has a spoken word intro that my mum found very uplifting when I usd to play it in the car on the way to school.
'What's He Building In There?' by Tom Waits off Mule Variations is a really atmospheric and creepy song. I think you're being a little harsh Stephen in disregarding Mr Waits spoken stuff.
'Future Legend' sets the scene at the start of Bowie's Diamond Dogs, one of my favourite of his albums.
'Susan's House' off Beautiful Freak by the Eels has great spoken word passages that always evoke some emotion.
and 'Once in a Lifetime' off the Talking Heads' Remain In Light has some classic spoken bits.
oh and actually come to think of it 'I Spy' off of Different Class has some rather seedy spoken bits in it doesn't it? great song that one.
Kool Thing by Sonic Youth has a little spoken word section with none other than Chuck D, and I like Paco de Renaldo's Dream from Tindersticks first album, another nice spoken word track.
Nightclubbing by Iggy Pop is another great one, if it qualifies as spoken word
Nightclubbing by Iggy Pop is another great one, if it qualifies as spoken word
Sorry Ade. We just did as we were told by the classic albums posse. It's lovely to see so many Tindersticks songs mentioned on this strand. What bliss, and HOW DID I MISS ONCE IN A LIFETIME?? Curses.
posted by: classicalbums on Thu, 10/8 11:44 AM EDT
Friends, i bring shameless promotion of the fall i just found out today that come january next year there will be a new album apparently it's called 'our future your clutter' i urge you all to get it, especially stephen who should think of increasing it to two fall albums in his collection.
Enjoyed the podcast. Never heard Strait Outta Compton before - I have to say I was a bit put off at the time. It got great press, but at the expense of skirting the issues it raises. However, recently I've heard a couple of tracks and thought they sounded good, and I guess your comments about the cartooniness of it all do make sense at this remove. So maybe I'll give it a listen.
Your calling the song "Help the police" reminded me of the video on YouTube of Adam Buxton doing his clean rendition of Help the Police over the original - check it out, it's really funny.
On bands with no original members left, The Drifters are a great candidate. According to Wikipedia, even by the time Ben E King joined the line up that had big success in the early 60s, there were no original members.
I'm not sure, but I don't think there were any original La's left in the band by the time they recorded their self-titled album.
Your calling the song "Help the police" reminded me of the video on YouTube of Adam Buxton doing his clean rendition of Help the Police over the original - check it out, it's really funny.
On bands with no original members left, The Drifters are a great candidate. According to Wikipedia, even by the time Ben E King joined the line up that had big success in the early 60s, there were no original members.
I'm not sure, but I don't think there were any original La's left in the band by the time they recorded their self-titled album.
Actually the la's did have their original members when recording their album, it was only after they finished that lee mavers obsessed in the studio to get it right and they all left him, incidentally the la's is a beautiful album 'looking glass' is one of my favourite songs of all time.
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